Jubal: the voice of the establishment speaks!
November 29th, 2007, 5:09 pm · 8 Comments · posted by Steven Greenhut
From Steven Greenhut:
After my column Sunday, I heard from the publishers of Red County magazine who nicely complained about my referring to it as a GOP establishment publication. They intend the magazine to be a sort of anti-establishment publication, despite its focus on Republican notables. Fair enough. But Red County owns OCBlog, and under Jubal’s leadership (everyone knows he is political consultant Matt Cunningham), OCBlog is indeed the supreme establishment blog. Here is Jubal defending Scott Baugh and the GOP establishment’s squelching of an anti-Carona measure. And here he is defending political hitman Mike Schroeder against accusations in Red County magazine that he is the “poison” in the Republican party. Here he defends Debbie Carona. And we all know his endless and zealous efforts to defend Msgr. Urell and the local Catholic Diocese. When forced to choose between the victims and the victimizers in the church situation, he sponsored a Web site defending the victimizer. Go figure. In all these cases, he defends the establishment and attacks those who criticize the powers that be. I guess that’s the modern definition of a “conservative.”
But the funniest thing about his attack on my Sunday column is this argument:
“Steve then gives Republicans a good going over with this broad brush in this call-and-response routine with himself:
The GOP is not exactly a bastion of concern for civil liberties. How often do you hear top GOP officials, especially those in law enforcement, express concern about poor folks being railroaded to jail by overzealous D.A.s? Not often, right?
“How often to do hear Steve Greenhut express concern about missile defense? Not often, right? Steve’s obviously not a bastion of concern for missile defense. How often do you hear Steve Greenhut express concern about single-sex education, classical music, breast cancer or the degeneration of popular media? Not often, right? Steve’s obviously not a bastion of concern for any of those things.”
Actually, it would be perfectly fair to say that I am not a bastion of concern about those issues, just as the Republican Party has shown no concern about prosecutorial abuse except in the cases involving Carona, Baugh and other party leaders. That’s exactly my argument: such issues don’t register to them, unless one of them is a victim. Furthermore, Mike Carona and Tony Rackauckas were adamant that the county doesn’t need civilian oversight of law enforcement and they opposed the overturn of the Copley decision (public records of abusive cops) specifically because they said police and prosecutors can be trusted. They embraced the most pollyanna view of the justice system — until their guy got caught in the snare. That was my point.
By the way, the GOP at the national level, with the PATRIOT Act and so forth, is an ardent enemy of civil liberties. I don’t think I’m out on a limb here.
Now Red County magazine is trying to be outside the Republican establishment (as its publishing of Mark Bucher’s “poison” piece confirms), but Red County’s OCblog seems to have become the mouthpiece for the local establishment. It’s a well-done and popular blog, but it does seem to specialize these days in speaking power to truth.













November 29th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Steve:
I guess you ran out of room to include any facts.
Hugo Chavez could use a guy like you. He doesn’t let truth get in the way of a good story, either.
November 29th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
Hugo Chavez already has a Red Country blog!
November 29th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
I’m sure he could find a place for you.
November 29th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Steve:
Do facts have any meaning for you?
For example, you state:
“And here he is defending political hitman Mike Schroeder against accusations in Red County magazine that he is the “poison” in the Republican party.”
You might want to try actually reading the post. It has nothing to do with Bucher’s article.
You accuse me of “defending Scott Baugh and the GOP establishment’s squelching of an anti-Carona measure.”
Your phrasing kind of makes my point. It’s an utterly subjective view and a dishonest description of what I wrote. At least readers can click on the link and read for themselves that you’re being disingenuous.
Humpty Dumpty would be proud of you.
I could go on, but I don’t have all night.
November 29th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Actually, it would be perfectly fair to say that I am not a bastion of concern about those issues, just as the Republican Party has shown no concern about prosecutorial abuse except in the cases involving Carona, Baugh and other party leaders.
You missed the point of my exercise, Steve, which was to illustrate the circular nature of your reasoning.
Now you’re making blanket assertions you can’t substantiate.
Then there’s this gem:
When forced to choose between the victims and the victimizers in the church situation, he sponsored a Web site defending the victimizer. Go figure.
We had a long phone conversation about this several weeks ago, Steve. Remember? I explained that what you are saying above was absolutely not the case, and you accepted that. So either you were lying then or you are lying now.
December 1st, 2007 at 5:08 am
Jubal.
You wouldn’t be impugning Steve’s credibility would you? If you’ve now caught him in a lie, it only goes to reason this isn’t the first time.
hmmmmm.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Jubal (aka: Matt Cunningham),
There’s a big difference between you writing as a political hack, and Steve writing as a bonified journalist. Me thinks the only misinterpretation in Steve’s post is that you are a political consultant. Your work as a paid shill for the likes of Suncal development is more on target. By the way, good job on that gig.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:42 am
JUBAL IS BLOWING UP THE COMMENTS LIST