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• Marc960 says:

  November 10, 2009 at 4:58 pm

  I wonder why someone hasn’t named the Global Warming fanatics as just another Terrorist group.

  The certainly are fanatic
  They won’t take no for an answer
  They want to control the world
  Even if it kills us

  So I’ll say it; they are terrorists.
• Mark says:

  November 10, 2009 at 5:32 pm

  “We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.”

  http://epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=266543
• davejs says:

  November 10, 2009 at 9:05 pm

  Pointless, innumerate and funny, just like that intellectually bankrupt, seditious fraud Rush Limbaugh.
• Marc960 says:

  November 11, 2009 at 12:22 pm

  You know I’m still waiting for the answer on how the Earth is getting warmer while no year has been hotter then, or since, 1998, the benchmark year for Global Warming.

  And 2009 isn’t looking too hot either;

  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=national&year=2009&month=10&submitted=Get+Report
• Professor W says:

  November 11, 2009 at 1:43 pm

  Your wait is over. 2005 was warmer.

  http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/2005_warmest.html
  • Mark says:

    November 11, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    I’m not seeing 2005 as warmer in this UK Met Office report on the global temperature trends over the last decade :

    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2009/global_temperatures_09.pdf
    • Professor W says:

      November 12, 2009 at 8:02 am

      I am not too surprised that using different data sources there would be slightly different conclusions. However, that same UK Met Office report clearly states there is a global temperature rise over the last decade. Although it is slowing and not matching predicted models, it is still WARMING.
      • Mark says:

        November 12, 2009 at 5:57 pm

        The warming peaked in ‘98, dropped a tiny bit and since then has stopped at this level for a while with a slight drop in recent years.
• Professor W says:

  November 11, 2009 at 1:44 pm

  See also:

  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_sc/us_sci_global_cooling
  • Marc960 says:

    November 11, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Prof W
    From your article link……
    “temperatures have dropped — thus, a cooling trend. But it’s not that simple.”

    And; “Since 1998, temperatures have dipped, soared, fallen again and are now rising once more. Records kept by the British meteorological office and satellite data used by climate skeptics still show 1998 as the hottest year. However, data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA show 2005 has topped 1998. Published peer-reviewed scientific research generally cites temperatures measured by ground sensors, which are from NOAA, NASA and the British, more than the satellite data.”

    So now it is down to who is more accurate in the data?

    The scientific answer is what can be repeated by others running the same trial or test as the theory claims to represent. That is how you prove a theory, that is taught at the middle school level. When you get into the professional age and level it is called “peer reviewed.”

    Since the “peer reviewed” haven’t agreed to the sampling or the theory, and the only “evidence” comes from computer models, there is no consensus. Gore was BS’ing us all along. There is nothing “settled.”

    Of course if you consider that the global temps have increased since the last ice age glaciers covered half of north America, even going south of today’s’ Chicago, one must agree.

    I find it funny that all you were quoting for the last 6 months was the 1998 ‘heat wave’ but you have now found a reporter who agrees with you and found someone to support your insistent claim, only now it is 2005. Pretty selective, even for a reporter.

    So how is it that last month was the third coldest in the last 114 years, according to NOAA, your source choice of the moment?
    • Professor W says:

      November 12, 2009 at 8:15 am

      I never stated 1998 was a “heat wave”. It was so warm because of a combination of the warming trend and an El Nino. In addition, I simply was not aware of the different data sets for 1998 & 2005. Even the older set I had referred to in the past had indicated that 2005 was statistically similar to 1998.

      And the third coldest in 114 years is easy to describe. a) it was only for the United States - the global temperatures are not available at this time (though September was the 2nd warmest on record) and b) there will always be monthly and annual variations in climate. That is why it is always important to look at trends over a series of years.

      My posts are always to clarify the temperature information out there. I do not comment on CO2 impacts, the climate models, or our role in how we deal with the warming. I enjoy reading these discussions. However, to deny we are warmer now that 100 years ago is false. To say we are cooling now is false for a couple reasons, it is too early to tell and we continue to have top ten warm years by any agencies’ measures.